Comments on: A “bloop” in time… http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/ Writing, filming, joke makin' and note takin'. Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:08:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: sarahsamudre http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-351 sarahsamudre Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:09:04 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-351 I'm sorry to get back to you so late- apparently I have bronchitis. Blech. I was watching the episode and when I saw the temple and the island under water and oooooh, about a dozen other references to the mythologies you've been investigating, I kept thinking how MUCH you must've been freaking out during the episode. Even people who are not theorists at my Lost Party saw the temple and said, "Oh, a Mayan temple. Hmm." I'm giving you an e-high five right now. I'd love to guest blog, and I'd love YOU to guest blog about the Mayan stuff. It's so fascinating to read. I'm still reading through the book An Elegant Universe. Fascinating stuff and very relevant to what I think is going on time wise! And "bloop" wise... I don't think what Desmond did was the same as what Ben did. Desmond was at a station distributing electromagnetic energy because of an accident the DHARMA made. Ben turned a wheel that, I'm assuming (and I could be wrong), was placed there by Jacob himself. I'm assuming doing it right and doing it wrong has different consequences. Even Ben didn't seem to do it completely right, as opposed to Locke, who did, and it fixed the time skips. And we should compromise... it should be a strawberry-chocolate phantom. :) I’m sorry to get back to you so late- apparently I have bronchitis. Blech.

I was watching the episode and when I saw the temple and the island under water and oooooh, about a dozen other references to the mythologies you’ve been investigating, I kept thinking how MUCH you must’ve been freaking out during the episode. Even people who are not theorists at my Lost Party saw the temple and said, “Oh, a Mayan temple. Hmm.” I’m giving you an e-high five right now.

I’d love to guest blog, and I’d love YOU to guest blog about the Mayan stuff. It’s so fascinating to read. I’m still reading through the book An Elegant Universe. Fascinating stuff and very relevant to what I think is going on time wise!

And “bloop” wise… I don’t think what Desmond did was the same as what Ben did. Desmond was at a station distributing electromagnetic energy because of an accident the DHARMA made. Ben turned a wheel that, I’m assuming (and I could be wrong), was placed there by Jacob himself. I’m assuming doing it right and doing it wrong has different consequences. Even Ben didn’t seem to do it completely right, as opposed to Locke, who did, and it fixed the time skips.

And we should compromise… it should be a strawberry-chocolate phantom. :)

]]> By: sarahsamudre http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-350 sarahsamudre Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:00:24 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-350 @<a href="#comment-343" rel="nofollow">Mary Salcedo</a>: Haha, I actually TOLD you the above, but I love that you wrote it out. Other people may not know the similarities, and I'm betting next week, we'll find out more about the Monster's "home" and we'll see how much more the similarities continue! @Mary Salcedo: Haha, I actually TOLD you the above, but I love that you wrote it out. Other people may not know the similarities, and I’m betting next week, we’ll find out more about the Monster’s “home” and we’ll see how much more the similarities continue!

]]> By: sarahsamudre http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-349 sarahsamudre Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:58:14 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-349 @<a href="#comment-345" rel="nofollow">Emily</a>: I'm going to try and have a revised post up this weekend. Doc told me I had bronchitis, so I've been trying to limit myself on going tooooo crazy, but I will try to have it up tonight or tomorrow, explaining how I think my theory about Jacob having a plan, and what my research on string theory, factors into the overall arc and goal of the final season. Glad I'm blowing your mind, sweetie! @Emily: I’m going to try and have a revised post up this weekend. Doc told me I had bronchitis, so I’ve been trying to limit myself on going tooooo crazy, but I will try to have it up tonight or tomorrow, explaining how I think my theory about Jacob having a plan, and what my research on string theory, factors into the overall arc and goal of the final season. Glad I’m blowing your mind, sweetie!

]]> By: sarahsamudre http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-348 sarahsamudre Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:55:59 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-348 @<a href="#comment-346" rel="nofollow">dumptruck molly</a>: You're right- thanks for catching that. I went back and rewatched the Enhanced Episode on Hulu just now and it does say the conversation takes place 140 years ago from present day. But 140 years makes it 1869, which is still a huge time discrepancy from when we know the Black Rock sailed from England or was last seen in 1881. And as I said in my post, either ABC is messing up BIG TIME and the "powers that be" aren't bothering with fact-checking the enhanced versions, or when the island moved (which is the only feasible way to get the ship into the middle sans damage), it moved in both time and space. I'll correct my jpeg so it says the correct time. Thanks for catching that. :) @dumptruck molly: You’re right- thanks for catching that. I went back and rewatched the Enhanced Episode on Hulu just now and it does say the conversation takes place 140 years ago from present day. But 140 years makes it 1869, which is still a huge time discrepancy from when we know the Black Rock sailed from England or was last seen in 1881. And as I said in my post, either ABC is messing up BIG TIME and the “powers that be” aren’t bothering with fact-checking the enhanced versions, or when the island moved (which is the only feasible way to get the ship into the middle sans damage), it moved in both time and space.

I’ll correct my jpeg so it says the correct time. Thanks for catching that. :)

]]> By: dumptruck molly http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-346 dumptruck molly Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:50:22 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-346 The pop-ups did not say that conversation happened exactly 100 years after Jacob and MIB talked on the beach, it said it happened OVER 100 years ago. It also said that the conversation on the beach happened OVER 140 years before present day. The pop-up during the conversation: "This scene takes place on the island over 140 years before the present day." The pop-up when Kate talks to Jacob: "This is Jacob, who has not aged since his conversation with the Man in Black over 100 years ago." The pop-ups did not say that conversation happened exactly 100 years after Jacob and MIB talked on the beach, it said it happened OVER 100 years ago. It also said that the conversation on the beach happened OVER 140 years before present day.

The pop-up during the conversation:
“This scene takes place on the island
over 140 years before the present day.”

The pop-up when Kate talks to Jacob:
“This is Jacob, who has not aged
since his conversation with the Man in Black over 100 years ago.”

]]> By: Emily http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-345 Emily Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:07:41 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-345 AHH! And Juliet! What about her knowing that it had worked???? I know you must have something up your sleeve regarding that one! AHH! And Juliet! What about her knowing that it had worked???? I know you must have something up your sleeve regarding that one!

]]> By: Emily http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Emily Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:46:38 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-344 Seriously, after seeing the episode and then talking with you, my mind is blown! You need to get that next post up, cause I really need to know more about what we discussed the other night! Seriously, after seeing the episode and then talking with you, my mind is blown! You need to get that next post up, cause I really need to know more about what we discussed the other night!

]]> By: Mary Salcedo http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-343 Mary Salcedo Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:13:10 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-343 Your article sparked me to look into the Caliban similarities with the Man in Black. I've been delving into the Caliban comparison, especially in regards to last night's episode. After reviewing "The Tempest" and the Lostpedia articles, the Man in Black as a metaphor for Caliban is becoming more intriguing for me. (I know you know the following, I'm soooo interested!) Caliban is the bastard child of the witch Sycorax and a "devil", and though human is "not honour'd with a human shape“ (Prospero, I.2.283), and constantly portrayed as half creatures. Banished to the island via his mother, he finds himself under the rule of Prospero. Throughout the play, Caliban sexually harasses Prospero's daughter, convinces a servant Stephano to attempt to kill Prospero. But OH MY GOODNESS! How amazing are these comparisons? The Man in Black taking over Locke's form, convincing Ben to kill Jacob, wanting desparately to be in control to "go home"??? One of the things, Caliban fails in all of his attempts, to try and kill Prospero, take over the island, and to go home. Now with the 2 parallel timelines, it will be interesting to see the success of the Man in Black and if Jacob ever wins in the end. I want him to, of course, but it will be very important to notice how Jacob is able to orchestrate the bringing together of the timelines. Your post brought these thoughts to life! Your article sparked me to look into the Caliban similarities with the Man in Black. I’ve been delving into the Caliban comparison, especially in regards to last night’s episode. After reviewing “The Tempest” and the Lostpedia articles, the Man in Black as a metaphor for Caliban is becoming more intriguing for me.

(I know you know the following, I’m soooo interested!)
Caliban is the bastard child of the witch Sycorax and a “devil”, and though human is “not honour’d with a human shape“ (Prospero, I.2.283), and constantly portrayed as half creatures. Banished to the island via his mother, he finds himself under the rule of Prospero. Throughout the play, Caliban sexually harasses Prospero’s daughter, convinces a servant Stephano to attempt to kill Prospero.
But OH MY GOODNESS! How amazing are these comparisons? The Man in Black taking over Locke’s form, convincing Ben to kill Jacob, wanting desparately to be in control to “go home”???

One of the things, Caliban fails in all of his attempts, to try and kill Prospero, take over the island, and to go home.

Now with the 2 parallel timelines, it will be interesting to see the success of the Man in Black and if Jacob ever wins in the end. I want him to, of course, but it will be very important to notice how Jacob is able to orchestrate the bringing together of the timelines.

Your post brought these thoughts to life!

]]> By: Pauline Hess http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-342 Pauline Hess Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:48:36 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-342 Maybe it should have been the chocolate phantom considering smokey... On a serious note... I'd love to have you guest blog at my place sometime. :) Maybe after you've done some research on this whole string theory thing. Okay... now I understand what you were getting at using the 2007 bloop to explain what may have happened in the past. But now I have another question. If the Bloop caused by Desmond when he didn't press the button caused the Oceanic plane to break up in the air, then why would a wooden ship survive and seem as if it was lovingly placed on the island? Is it that the two actions, moving the island vs. an accidental blip are different? Or perhaps, things just built better back in the 1800's. I mean, I've got furniture from the 30's that looks better than stuff I bought in 2005 so... ;) Okay... I must go look up some things. Last night's ep gave me soooo much to consider regarding my theory. Maybe it should have been the chocolate phantom considering smokey… On a serious note… I’d love to have you guest blog at my place sometime. :) Maybe after you’ve done some research on this whole string theory thing.
Okay… now I understand what you were getting at using the 2007 bloop to explain what may have happened in the past. But now I have another question. If the Bloop caused by Desmond when he didn’t press the button caused the Oceanic plane to break up in the air, then why would a wooden ship survive and seem as if it was lovingly placed on the island? Is it that the two actions, moving the island vs. an accidental blip are different? Or perhaps, things just built better back in the 1800′s. I mean, I’ve got furniture from the 30′s that looks better than stuff I bought in 2005 so… ;)

Okay… I must go look up some things. Last night’s ep gave me soooo much to consider regarding my theory.

]]> By: Vasant Samudre http://www.sarahsamudre.com/2010/02/01/a-bloop-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-340 Vasant Samudre Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:28:01 +0000 http://www.sarahsamudre.com/?p=290#comment-340 Great post, bff! (Because I hear you’re okay with some text speech). I totally agree with you an all accounts… but that’s probably because we’ve exchanged many of these ideas already – you having all of them and me just listening to them… but still, you’ve got sound logic here, I suppose we’ll find out in a few short hours! I like the thought of Locke being central in the reboot. A pansy from the beginning that will continue in his ways? Or as men of faith are supposed to be – changed in someway by some new revelation? It’s Locke, so I’m leaning towards the first option. It'll be interesting to see how his character will be re-introduced and what he actually does this time around. Great post, bff! (Because I hear you’re okay with some text speech).

I totally agree with you an all accounts… but that’s probably because we’ve exchanged many of these ideas already – you having all of them and me just listening to them… but still, you’ve got sound logic here, I suppose we’ll find out in a few short hours!

I like the thought of Locke being central in the reboot. A pansy from the beginning that will continue in his ways? Or as men of faith are supposed to be – changed in someway by some new revelation? It’s Locke, so I’m leaning towards the first option. It’ll be interesting to see how his character will be re-introduced and what he actually does this time around.

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